Seems like the assholes from armada did little bit of cleaning in last couple of days on services like youtube, so many tunes that got attention were removed in full version, and left only published by their account (in 2-3 minutes version). Even Status Excessu D you can't find in full version , which is really so low - the celebration anthem for massive upcoming event is almost unavalible. I mean it's not problem to download all those tunes from other sources, but armada just keeps digging grave for trance and everything it presents. First we have AWFUL and DISGUSTING videos for trance classics , I really don't know who create those, but it must be some retard (mentally limited person), and now we have this "cleanse" ... what's next ?

Wowowow, watch your language. I think a recordlabel has all the rights to complain at youtube or any other source when they're violating copyright. That's why it's called copyright, isn't it? Lots of people download stuff from youtube, which costs money to the labels and they have to pay their employées, don't they? This isn't digging a grave for trance, free downloading does. And they try to prevent it as much as possible. I'm not a holy saint and I have to admit I do it too, but I'm not blaming producers and labels for trying to prevent it. It's their right and it's logical. You call them assholes, but people who don't understand this are narrow minded.

And who cares about the vids? Trance is about music...

Yes, but I didn't complain about armada doing it for DJs that are really pending on downloads, what is rly annoying they are doing this for tunes like status excessu D from armin van buuren. I rly find it hard to believe that armin would go bankrupt because of that, especially because he is the one who said "If I ever become famous, I will do something for ppl so they can listen trance for free". And hipocracy of armada stuff is shows right on those famous tracks. No, they don't remove just all links, but they remove all links from likes of armin, markus, but not from some not that famous (or perhaps I should commercialy successful)  DJs.
When it comes to video, yes trance is all about the music, but don't you find their new videos for really good and old classics annoying ? Their goal is to commercialize trance totally, and that is for me grave digging.

Or maybe they don't remove vids from less famous DJ's cz they don't sell anyway, so it doesn't do any harm and it's extra promotion? Downloading tracks from Armin and Markus for free cost them money. And again, they have all the right. It's not hypocracy, it's policy. And a logical one. Every company does this.

You think new vids are good? I haven't seen many good vids lately either. In fact, I find most vids annoying. Trance or not trance. That's why I don't look at them anymore. It's all about the music. Vids are just taking away a part of the attention to the music.

There's commercial trance now and it was already in the 90's. There's not more of it now than it was back then.

Originally posted by Super

There's commercial trance now and it was already in the 90's. There's not more of it now than it was back then.

Again we part our opinions. I think armada is making heavy impact in commercializing trance, you think they aren't. I would really LOVE that you're in right, it would be best for trance, but small things that they do every now and than, like forcing lange to put some vocals into his last album, making needless videos for trance classics - when they are absolutely not neccesary, preventing trance fans from listening to anthem of 500th episode - of such a milestone, it just prooves me they care only about the money. I am not saying they should do all for free, ofc they must make some profit on various ways, but there is certain limit they shouldn't cross.

On the other hand, without Armada, Lange probably wouldn't even be making an album, so.....

Armin played the Status Excessu D in last ASOT, so you can listen to it as much as you want

I actually agree with Genghis on this
Armada has gotten exponentially more paranoid over the months

First of all every video you upload to youtube gets screened and a PURCHASE link added to your video
Second of all, removing the videos from youtube hurts advertising
I don't know a single person that converts youtube links to mp3 in order to make music collections
Youtube is a great way to quickly discover new music, and it sounds like shit anyway

The versions they post on their channel is a joke
I buy my CDs second hand so Armada doesnt see a dime of my purchases and thats the way [I have grown to]  like it

Originally posted by Super

On the other hand, without Armada, Lange probably wouldn't even be making an album, so.....

That's a terrible statement, Lange is big enough to sign to any other label without those ridiculous restrictions. If he chose Armada for the money, Sellout
and if its true about Armada forcing him, Forget Armada, worst sellout pop trance label ever

Originally posted by Super

Wowowow, watch your language. I think a recordlabel has all the rights to complain at youtube or any other source when they're violating copyright. That's why it's called copyright, isn't it? Lots of people download stuff from youtube, which costs money to the labels and they have to pay their employées, don't they? This isn't digging a grave for trance, free downloading does. And they try to prevent it as much as possible. I'm not a holy saint and I have to admit I do it too, but I'm not blaming producers and labels for trying to prevent it. It's their right and it's logical. You call them assholes, but people who don't understand this are narrow minded.

And who cares about the vids? Trance is about music...

Wise words from a very wise man.....

This is all pretty interesting.

I'm actually going to be doing a Masters degree soon and I'm basing it on: The Future of the Trance Industry, honing in mainly on the need for record labels over conventional business models the way the rest of the music industry has been branching out to. That means looking in-depth at Armada - the good and the bad.

On the one hand, you have Armada - home to 28 labels and 182 producers, artists, DJs and vocalists - all of which have produced some fine talent with the likes of Arnej, Audrey Gallagher, Cerf, Mitiska & Jaren, Markus Schulz, Dash Berlin, Gabriel & Dresden, Justine Suissa, Mike Foyle, Ronski Speed, Shogun, Signum, W&W and the man himself, Armin Van Buuren. The releases range into the thousands with which Trance was cultivated and built upon to breed the overall expansion of the genre into so many unique subgenres. Though other labels contributed to this successful development of todays genre of Trance as we know it, many other artists respected what Armin was trying to do for Trance lovers and joined forces with his beliefs.

On the other hand, Armada has become the monopolising corporation that has absorbed independent labels to become a conglomerate organisation that simply hosts labels rather than grows their particular styles and skills. Though its advertising and promotion have given artists a much wider audience, the essence of what Trance once was has become competition for ruling the industry instead of making great music. Its laws have been scrutinised into limiting artists outside of Armada to parts of their music, giving DJs less and less freedom to share with Trance listeners what music is out there to be heard. Though each label is given a certain level of control over their creativity and inspirations for new releases, Armada still has the final say in all matters, limiting producers once again from what they really want to release.

Honestly I think the good outweighs the bad overall but the method in which they go about sifting through their advertising and promotion as well as simply creating a single entity that 'rules' the Trance and soon to be 'Electro House' with the likes of Stonebridge and Glenn Morrison. You can just see Armada absorbing labels and artists due to their expansive global market, though impressive, seems to have gotten lost along the way from its roots to now.

Hope i didn't ramble on too long...just very interested by all of this

Originally posted by PsychoKilla666

That's a terrible statement, Lange is big enough to sign to any other label without those ridiculous restrictions. If he chose Armada for the money, Sellout and if its true about Armada forcing him, Forget Armada, worst sellout pop trance label ever

If he is, than why is he still at Armada with these restrictions? Maybe he does do it for the money, but can you blame him? Everybody wants to make money if possible. Being a DJ isn't making them rich, unless you're at the absolute top. Most of them earn just enough to pay for the expenses. So it's too easy to call anybody a sellout. You would do the same if you had the chance. And again, if Armada is forcing him, he probably isn't big enough to be able to sign anywhere else.

And zak, you've got some good points on both sides.

yeah, Lange used to be a very nice producer in the late 90's and early 2000's, but nowadays he just make those horrid vocal fake trance productions which don't sound even close to Trance, at all.
It's a shame because he used to be amazing and i know that, for example, look for his old tunes like:
I Believe
Follow Me (this one is definately a classic)
Drifting Away (Lange's Sunset Dub)
&
some other tunes produced more recently but still amazing:
Angel Falls (Future Classic, for me)
Harmonic Motion (it's a very nice electro-trance production, at least it's not cheesy.)

& just an interesting point:
he was the one who produced that SuReal track in 2000 called You Take My Breath Away, that you all call cheesy.

I don't blame him, I just lose a ton of respect if we were ever to find out that those were his motives
Armada on the other hand seems to be the bigger offender in my opinion
ZakRush gave a nice and more civil outline of what is wrong with Armada ^_^
Having such a demand come to light SHOULD destroy the reputation of the label irreparably
But this is Armada, the #1 cash cow in the EDM scene, so they will get away with it

I don't imply for any of this to reflect poorly upon Armin, because I don't believe he has a say

And obviously Armada can not remove live videos, youtube has a fair use clause that extends to self recorded material, as long as the device was allowed inside legally

Originally posted by PsychoKilla666

And obviously Armada can not remove live videos, youtube has a fair use clause that extends to self recorded material, as long as the device was allowed inside legally

Yes they can. My vid of the Armin Only opening was removed. I must've been the first to post it on the Sunday morning after it already hehe. I got 650 viewers in just a few hours, but then it got removed. 1 or 2 days later Armada had published their own version on their site.

My point is that they can remove those as well, but they don't.

Originally posted by Super

Yes they can. My vid of the Armin Only opening was removed. I must've been the first to post it on the Sunday morning after it already hehe. I got 650 viewers in just a few hours, but then it got removed. 1 or 2 days later Armada had published their own version on their site.

My point is that they can remove those as well, but they don't.

O WOW, they just make it easy to dislike them ^_^