It's a known fact that many of the most popular DJ's have engineers who produce tracks for them. Armin has Benno De Goeij, for example, and I believe BT used to produce for Tiesto.

Who else do you know, and what is your take on this?

I think i read somewhere that it was Cor Fijneman who was helping Tiesto with his earier trance productions.

Anyway, i do not think it is a bad thing. Mainly because they aren't really producing everything for others, but help out with them instead. DJ's like Armin, Tiesto, etc. have really tight schedules, unfortunately they can't spend enough time in studio. Most parts of their tracks they still do themselves. I think i read interview with Tiesto sometime, where he said that he does about 65% of his tracks and rest is finished by engineer. And that is fine, since main idea is still their, it is finishing touches and technical things that are done by someone else. Also, i believe alot of times engineers get credited too. So i do not think it is a bad thing.

I think everyone agrees on this, i mean it is obvious that big names like Armin and Tijs cant do all of the work by themselves, although i have seen discussions where Tiesto is being criticized because of having "ghost engineers".  I read that from 1998-2005 he didnt produce anything by himself and the job was done by 2 guys called Dennis Waakop Reijers and Hans Willem Mallon. Big heated topic ..

I think its disappointing but I'm not surprised in the least

I think they wrote the tracks for the most part themselves and maybe they asked other musicians to put it on record. I think the critics that Tiësto didn't produce anything by himself are mostly made by Tiësto haters, but like I said I think he wrote the tracks himself. Especially with Flight 643 I'm pretty sure about that the idea came from him.

Tiësto has even said himself now that the name Tiësto as a producer is a group of about 11 producers now, working together on tracks. He still has the biggest say on things tho and he's the end-decider. He also said that in the passed the most part of his productions in the past came from himself.

Tiesto never works alone in his tracks.  All of the songs produced on his first 3 albums were by himself and another DJ/producer named DJ Waakop Reijers.  In addition, all of the songs on the JUST BE and PARADE OF THE ATHLETES albums were done by Tiesto and teams of usually 2 or 3 people.  He worked with Junkie XL on Obsession, Ronald Van Gelderen on Suburban Train, and Dutch DJ/producer/Classical composer Geert Huinink on Forever Today and Magik Journey.  As long as an artist lists that he worked with someone else either on the back cover on in the booklet, then thats a good enough citation for me. 

except for earning all the credit in the eyes of the masses, who only see the image the record labels want them to see. I feel the supporting DJs deserve MUCH MORE credit than they will ever get

Originally posted by PsychoKilla666

except for earning all the credit in the eyes of the masses, who only see the image the record labels want them to see. I feel the supporting DJs deserve MUCH MORE credit than they will ever get

Well, they do get paid for it, like any other 9-5 job. Personally, I don't see a problem with that.

Well paid for it to I would imagine I agree they should be credited in the small print but I am pretty sure that these guys would not ghost produce if they wanted the credit in the eyes of the masses.

Apparently, Tiesto did not contribute a single thing to Sarah McLachlan - Sweet Surrender (DJ Tiësto Remix) from 2002. It's clear to me that engineers doing the work of producers is a highly controversial topic, mostly because of awarding credit where it's due, but whether it's a bad thing or not, I'm not settled on that. My only wish is that people would give credit where it's due, and not simply call a track by an artist name if that artist didn't have much involvement. Call it Armin van Buuren vs. Benno De Goeij, or something, then I'd be happier.

wow didn't know about this at all I should check the booklets that come from the CDs :0

Originally posted by Rover

Call it Armin van Buuren vs. Benno De Goeij, or something, then I'd be happier.

I at least do that when I put songs on my Zune, if they don't already list it on the cover or booklet.

Originally posted by Hypnotic

Well, they do get paid for it, like any other 9-5 job. Personally, I don't see a problem with that.

Me neither and like Dan said they wouldn't ghost produce if they wanted to be credited. They agreed with this. Also with any other genre, writers, producers and musicians aren't credited either. Only the singer...

Ive read somewhere that Benno is behind alot of jochen miller's tracks , I have mixed feelings about this really.

Originally posted by Hypnotic

Ive read somewhere that Benno is behind alot of jochen miller's tracks , I have mixed feelings about this really.

that just proves that Benno is more versatile and is able to create music for the masses with Armin, and Music for hardcore trancers with Jochen Miller

Originally posted by PsychoKilla666

I have no problem with ghost producers, I have a problem with the music industry raping Armin's image for their good, I don't blame Armin but he doesnt deserve the Icon status he earns through the hard work of ghost producers, and its not the money, trust me, money is worthless, I feel bad for the trance scene

You mean Armin doesn't work hard enough to earn his status? Really, read his book :/ I think he works harder than almost any other DJ :/
And why feeling bad for the trance-scene? Why is this so different from other scenes? Do you know the writers, producers or musicians from anybody in the pop scene? Rock scene? R&B scene? NO! There all the Britney Spears' and Beyoncés are getting the credit when all they do is sing the song. Who has written them? Who has produced them? Who has played the music? Nobody knows. Really, in the trance scene people get more credited than most other scenes.