Piracy. What are your views?

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Piracy. What are your views? -
3 March 2007, at 15:20
piracy. weve all seen it, we all have in some way come into contact or posess data and illegal materials ripped from wherever it may have. so, being one of these people that have seen and posess (to a limit  ;)) amounts of data that make life a lil easier, i would like to here your views on piracy, however hollow they may be if any of what i just said is true to you.

i dont wanna talk about just any piracy though, the ripping off of trance music or any music for that matter and its obvious effects on the industry. but i see the effects more adversely in the trance genre though. weve all been told its dead, it doesnt flourish as a music style and i think that may have to do with piracy. ifya have any other views for why its called "dead" post em as well.

i try to buy my music as often as i can but upwards of $35 AUD is getting a little ridiculous even for double CD'.its the hassle of finding it, wating time and effort, e.t.c. so what incentive is there now to buy cd when in a few clicks u can have a new tiesto album or the latest MOS annual. i feel there is none. 

should more policing occur in countries that have outlawed piracy and should countries, such as the Netherlands to my knowledge who dont have such sanctions have them imposed, then strictly enforced on a global scale, in return driving CD costs down to leave some cash in our wallets after weve left the shop

i think now worst of all, people condone and accept it so widely, it in the background destroys what they love and then they whinge how this and that cant produce another piece of work and so on a so forth.

dunno, what are your views?

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# Re: piracy. what are your views? - 3 March 2007, at 15:38
Piracy to me... is jsut not cool.
I know so many people do it, and the sad thing is that it truley is hurting the Trance community.

Now im not saying to go out and buy every track out there, obviousley only by the tracks you like, but if you dont like a track, dont torrent it and help share it to others. The problem is that alot of people torrent the tracks because they want to "try " the track first before buying it, and then delete the song after they buy it.  Problem here is, that one person is now seeding the track to keep his ratio up at the tracker he belongs to.  So now, even though he/she is going to buy the track, they just help share it to 30 others, which might or might not buy the music, but they will inturn do the same and seed it, so now 900 people have the track.  You can see how this leads to problems in the music industry.  Not all music.. mostly electronic.  Most of your electronic music artist are not riding around in bently's and living in mansions.  I could really care less if britney spears music gets shared all over the place, she makes millions a year.  (im not saying its right, because its not.  I just dont care really, they are definately not hurting because of it.)

It really is easy to get music nowdays cheaply, and in excellent quality with places like beatport, audiojelly, juno digital, armada digital and others.  Not to mention most good record shops online have download services.  The tracks range from $.99 to $3.99 a track.  so Even if your buying 20 tracks a week, you not breaking the bank.

I myself buy mostly vinyl, with some digital downloads.  I receive promo's alot.  So yes i do get my fare share of free music, but its legal.  And since i am a collecter, i almost always buy the release of the vinyl once its out, and put it in my collection.  Then I use the promos to take with me to play every where.

Unfortunately, I know people are out there and will still say things like music should be free, and all this other nonsense, but it all comes down to getting paid for what you do.  I always go back and say the same thing.  "How would you like to work hard for 8 hous a day, and never get paid for it, just because your services should be free to tohers."

Its best if you dont have the money right away, to just wait, and support the artists when you can afford to.

If you want to download, download the many many free sets out there that appear every week.  They have the newest tracks, and its perfectly legal.  Not to mention free, and the artists love to have people listening to their weekly shows.  :D
# Re: Piracy. What are your views? - 3 March 2007, at 16:09
wow, interestin view.

its shocking how people expect things to be free, i have a cousin who wont stop ripping off things, luckily he doesnt like electronic music but the same principal applies. i really dont see how it is fair that, for example no offence to any rap lovers ere high profile rappers get stinkin rich for talking utter crap into a mic, pay a producer then sit back an roll in the 100's ov g's, buy, then cruise around in their freakin lambos and live the high life when uve got a Dj, like armin for example who spends guarateed more hours mixin or creatin  sets, then has to go on a tour to promote his stuff. ide say Dj's do alot more work. a  perfect testament to that is just look at how old your well known DJ's are befor they hit the top, mid 20's to thirties. older even. it takes along time, piracy is just a gun to their head.


how are they getting rich these rappers though and your little  queens like spears and aguilera? piracy is wrong, and electronica is feelin the burn bad, perhaps badder than any other and any logical answer would be difficult to come across.

i commend the low cost of those mentioned sites and varied online shops though but its a drop in the ocean really. Limewire, bearshare and any other p2p, torrent or sharing file programs should be banned, and made illegal. the gnutella system disbanded and same with telia and cogent for starters. same with the rest in time and eventually things will become normal.

ide even say it will kill the industry for good in coming years. whats the incentive to become the new poserboy or girl for trance. atm, false hope.

PVD, AVB, Ferry, Jonas Steur, ATB, B&J, tiesto, Andy Moor and all your others wont be around 4eva.
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# Re: Piracy. What are your views? - 3 March 2007, at 17:00

Two words that you heard before : Piracy Kills..
It's about music! Not one music style is better than the other, not one music style is more truly than the other. The whole thing is based on respect. It's all music, music never separates people!
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# Re: Piracy. What are your views? - 3 March 2007, at 20:05
Before I found out about MP3 stores I also wanted to buy a lot of my music but importing all these albums was so expensive.  Now I can buy a few tracks every month and listen to sets the rest of the time.  If I was a DJ I'd definitely buy hard copies but as I don't even keep other CD's around, it's easier for me to have MP3.  Maybe one day when I have my own house and can store things. lol
But I agree that piracy is bad.
# Re: Piracy. What are your views? - 4 March 2007, at 01:42
yeah, well a few of you on here are DJ's so ide imagine it woulkd really piss you off if u found out somke set you poured your heart into is circulating round the world 4 free.
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# Re: Piracy. What are your views? - 4 March 2007, at 05:44
Originally posted by starburst

yeah, well a few of you on here are DJ's so ide imagine it woulkd really piss you off if u found out somke set you poured your heart into is circulating round the world 4 free.


Do you mean that it would piss us up if we had some set's or tunes circulating around?

I would not be happy if my tune was downloaded without someone paying for it, but I would not waste my energy on it. What can you do?
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I'm of course very happy if my set is circulating, that's just a good thing! Making set's for the people, thats for free! ;) For me it is anyway!
But, the mixes that the big dj's mix, they are not for free and have to be supported! ;)
It's about music! Not one music style is better than the other, not one music style is more truly than the other. The whole thing is based on respect. It's all music, music never separates people!
# Re: Piracy. What are your views? - 4 March 2007, at 06:11
yes.

you get publicity, but in its lowest form by doing that. if your hammered out a four hour set, then made it available for a cost you would be mightily pissed off if it went round for nothing upon some guy or girl payin for one but puttin it on a torrent available to millions worldwide.

makeing sets for the people is a good thing, being charitable is a nice thing to do. but its a double edged sword. you get publicity by circulating your free stuff, people hear it then they go looking for your stuff which by that stage may not be free as u may have released say two or three free sets they have. they must have more and more isnt free. so they rip it off.

whaddya gunna do indeed!   :/
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# Re: Piracy. What are your views? - 4 March 2007, at 06:18
But, I'm not in the position to take money for my set's dude! :)

You have to put out your mix to get feedback on them, and to learn something, and even try to get some work somewhere.

If your a know, established dj, Then you get paid, but then you have a company behind you.
It's about music! Not one music style is better than the other, not one music style is more truly than the other. The whole thing is based on respect. It's all music, music never separates people!
# Re: Piracy. What are your views? - 4 March 2007, at 09:31
true, ime only explaining the recurring loop piracy creates. even if you arent in any position to profit and it, by no means am i saying should be ur ultimate goal self gratification and accomplishment only go so far.
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# Re: Piracy. What are your views? - 4 March 2007, at 09:47
Lots of good points made over here. :)

I have quite a mixed opinion on this, and I think it has both pros and cons.

Pros: Publicity. A lot of people would've never heard of lots of artists if they didn't find their tracks online for free download and decided to check them out. I don't think anyone would buy someone's track if they hadn't heard it already or someone recommended it to them. If they like what they downloaded, they will spread the word, and eventually someone will buy the track. The artist gets exposed to lots of listeners this way and earns more money in the process than he would earn if no one knew about the track. It's a good marketing method.

Cons: It demotivates artists. Finding out that the track you've been working so hard on for months is on the net available for free to anyone can be quite disappointing. No one wants his hard work to go unrewarded. It's the same in the software industry, where teams of programmers put a year in a project and then when they release it someone cracks the code and everyone can download it for free.
This is lethal for small companies and artist more than it is for the big ones. I'm not much concerned for the big names like Armin, PvD, Tiesto and the gang as much I am for the smaller, not so established artists. Big names make most of their money by playing gigs, not by selling records, which is not the case with the small producers, whose only income is from track sales.
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# Re: Piracy. What are your views? - 4 March 2007, at 10:43
I was not aware you could buy sets, I've only heard of you being mixed CD's/ Can anyone explain?
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# Re: Piracy. What are your views? - 4 March 2007, at 10:59
Well, i've read here and i seriously agree that piracy is bad, really unfair to artists!!
But, one thing i would like to point out here is that i live in a country where trance is not at all spread, its only a fistful of people who listen to it, and believe me, what we have, we share with each other, but then again, its not enough, so we have to depend on those tracks on the web to get what we want!But most of the times, i wish i had everything original, that would have been simply marvellous!!! its like better this than nothing at all!!!
# Re: Piracy. What are your views? - 4 March 2007, at 13:16
Originally posted by starburst

Well, i've read here and i seriously agree that piracy is bad, really unfair to artists!!
But, one thing i would like to point out here is that i live in a country where trance is not at all spread, its only a fistful of people who listen to it, and believe me, what we have, we share with each other, but then again, its not enough, so we have to depend on those tracks on the web to get what we want!But most of the times, i wish i had everything original, that would have been simply marvellous!!! its like better this than nothing at all!!!


couldnt agree more, same here about my country to my knowledge. except i have found no1 yet with the same musical interest so i rely on buying albums and try very hard to keep my downloading to a minumum, but i must use it sometime to get what i want.
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# Re: Piracy. What are your views? - 4 March 2007, at 13:32
Well, i dont mean to brag..but my friend once introduced me to a friend and said: "this is the only girl who listens to trance in Mauritius" and that was funny!!!
Even the shops don't have trance tracks :( :(
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# Re: Piracy. What are your views? - 4 March 2007, at 15:12
I see about mixed CD's, but by sets I mean the long ones that aren't sold as CD's.  Or the radio shows that are made available by the DJ's themselves.  Of course if it's a mixed CD I will try to buy it if I like the tracklist.